Did George RR Martin knock Jaycee out and take over writing the strip? I figure I should ask since we are going into incest territory and George RR Martin tends to be of the opinion that incest is best and all. lol
Besides, I am sure Herman doesn’t count as a part of the Prince…right ?
Jaycee
That’s an excellent question!
–Jaycee
“I’m doing it.”
da Doctah
I’ve been wondering about that for a couple of weeks now. Ever since the sorcerer reversed all those spells and became male again. Was Herman his original todger transfered to Albert, or an effect of the faerie spell that made him a hermaphrodite?
& might make things worse or better between Heather & Albert.
An interesting twist be that Heather is torn because Albert has gotten very good & Herman makes the argument that she’s having sex with him, not Albert.
No, because Crystalbitch is controlling Busty, that is why Busty cast it on Heather, not because she is going to do the opposite of what she is asked slash ordered
Society sucks bloated yak farts!
150 years, there was no such thing as ‘swimming costumes’ or shame in public nudity, but then about 100 years ago, society deemed it scandalous for a woman to show her ankles or to swim in anything other than a full head-to-calf bodysuit!!
This crap about incest leading to birth defects is just that: crap!
I’m with you there, though some of the problems with incest (especially parent-child or sibling-sibling incest) is the abuse of trust & power that can lead to a troubling (or traumatic) relationship.
I never bought the defect thing when it’s sex-for-fun vs sex-for-procreation.
–Jaycee
“I’m doing it.”
Urazz
That and incest can lead to a fucked up kid being born due to inbreeding.
Though from reading up on it on wikipedia. It looks like 1st cousins can have a kid and it would only double the chances of a kid developing a birth defect (4% chance for cousin couples compared to 2% chance on non-related couples). Though I imagine the chance for birth defects get higher with future generations of the family if they keep on doing incest with 1st cousins.
It probably explains why Prince William of Great Britain was going bald by his late 20s. Too much incest which tends to happen with royalty. Though since he married Kate, his kids will probably be better off since he’s not related to her.
Jaycee
This is only relevant if sex produces a kid. Also, I’d bet good money that knowledge of inbreeding issues is a very recent development in human history. We haven’t known about genetics for very long and there isn’t a lot of data about physical defects in inbred children if you go back a few thousand years.
I suspect (unscientifically, mind you) that this queasiness is more likely the result of social and psychological (and, yes, religious) factors. It’s just been conveniently retro-justified using modern science.
–Jaycee
“I’m doing it.”
Guesticus
Also seems more to do with anti-Monarchism than any true scientific fact (same as how everyone criticizes the Queen for spending money when she not only pays tax but also brings in a heck of a lot of money due to tourism and her businesses)
Urazz
Actually some civilizations in the past recognized that incest with immediate family members is bad because it can result in an unhealthy child. It’s why there’s been a stigma to it for practically forever in most civilizations. It’s why they became social and religious factors in the first place. Though a lot of civilizations tended to be fine with cousins marrying and having kids.
Ancient Egypt was one of those civilizations that didn’t see that kind of thing as a problem though and had brothers and sisters marry each other all the time with the royalty.
Guesticus
What monkey flung poo is this? Male Pattern Baldness is now due to inbreeding? o_O
Jaycee
Yup, this just in. 🙂
–Jaycee
“I’m doing it.”
Urazz
I didn’t say that. I said the premature male pattern baldness. Least that was what I’m thinking about. I figure inbreeding could easily affect things like that all the time asides from just health issues.
Bald-guest
…I went bald at 17 am I a product of inbreeding now? All this time and I didn’t even know it…
Jaycee
Isn’t this site great? Come for the bewbs, leave with an education. ^_^
–Jaycee
“I’m doing it.”
Urazz
Unless your parents were more closely related then it’s certainly possible Bald-Guest. Otherwise, you just probably had bad luck on the genetic lottery and got premature male pattern baldness.
Inbreeding is pretty much just increasing the chance of negative genetic traits of happening and can even cause new ones to form. It’s not just health problems that can be caused by inbreeding but physical deformities as well. It also really just depends on how much inbreeding was going on with a family and for how long.
For example, say becoming a child becoming a hunchback has like a 1 in 100 chance of happening normally. Inbreeding could increase that chance even more and increase it even further with each generation of inbreeding.
Lee Most
The taboo should be on the abuse of power over an innocent in ANY situation. Incest is simply an easy one that society can recognize. Teacher-student, boss-worker, strong-weak, police officer-arrested person, all such abuses of power should be scorned and wiped out. It should only be allowed when the weaker one knows all the issues and still invites the more powerful one to dominate.
Guesticus
That’s implying that siblings can’t fall in love, with neither one being ‘weak’ or ‘innocent’
Actually, if you read up on Egypt and the Pharaohs, and yes, marrying your sister, so to speak– since we have gotten better at analyzing mummies, and translating texts- it has been shown that they did not escape ill effects, but many were affected quite a bit. -If- there is a hereditary chromosomal defect, it just gets compounded, with no good gene parts to offset it. The closer the relation, the greater possibility of ‘harm’.
Glad to see someone else read up on the subject a bit. The way I see it, fetuses on conception are pretty much in a genetic lottery, they have a chance to get bad genes or good genes normally. Inbreeding just causes the chance to get bad genes to get bigger with each successive generation of inbreeding. Royalty in the past were prime examples of this because they usually wanted to keep the royal blood line ‘pure’.
I theorise that most of those who find the thought of incest titillating grew up without siblings. Not sexing your brother or sister is not just a cultural thing, it’s an instinct, and that instinct is shared by most, if not all, higher vertebrates, according to some biology article I read long ago. Inhibitions against incest is good for the survival of a species, so evolution favors instincts along those lines.
Problem is that sex is tied to breeding and you can’t separate the two even if you are referring it to casual sex that doesn’t result in pregnancy.
Jaycee
It’s really not an issue if you have reliable contraception methods. Also, not all sex acts lead to impregnation–there are many things you can do that have 0% risk of pregnancy and can ask be a lot of fun.
I recall an article that said even bonobos balk at incest and even the suspicion of the possibility of incest… and sex is fully integrated into their social structure.
Well, if monkeys balk at incest, we should follow suit, I suppose.
I’m gonna go throw some poo at someone. 😉
–Jaycee
“I’m doing it.”
Gallstone
Have fun in the county lock-up. 😉
Urazz
What is Jaycee going to County Lock-up for? There are so many things he can probably be arrested for that he does have the right to know what he is being locked up for. 😉
Gallstone
Flinging his poo at people, of course. I doubt Minx would shield him from the consequences of doing that the way she saved him from embarrassment and arrest during that unfortunate incident with the police woman. 😉
Lurker
Apes, not monkeys. And bonobos consider a good fuck to be an ultimate solution to all problems.
Gallstone
Thanks for pointing that out. ^_^ And heck, they consider it a good way to say hello…
Umm, no it’s not: it is instinctual to breed with whomever is nearest of breeding capacity (giver or receiver), and in a close-knit or closed society that usually ends up being relations
70 thoughts on “#0328: A Hard Decision”
Urazz
Did George RR Martin knock Jaycee out and take over writing the strip? I figure I should ask since we are going into incest territory and George RR Martin tends to be of the opinion that incest is best and all. lol
Jaycee
Nope, still me. And it’s not incest until there’s sexual activity between siblings.
–Jaycee
“I’m doing it.”
Wowlock
Besides, I am sure Herman doesn’t count as a part of the Prince…right ?
Jaycee
That’s an excellent question!
–Jaycee
“I’m doing it.”
da Doctah
I’ve been wondering about that for a couple of weeks now. Ever since the sorcerer reversed all those spells and became male again. Was Herman his original todger transfered to Albert, or an effect of the faerie spell that made him a hermaphrodite?
Gallstone
Oh, no. The triplets were horrible enough! Not this, PLEASE.
Urazz
To be fair about the sisters banging Thane at that inn. They weren’t really having sex with each other, just taking turns on Thane.
Gallstone
At least one of them was performing cunnilingus on another. 🙁
Jaycee
THE HORROR! It burns my eyes… 😉
–Jaycee
“I’m doing it.”
Lurker
Jaycee
Yup. That. 🙂
–Jaycee
“I’m doing it.”
Metathiax
I thought Heather was going to get horny every time Crystal was mean to someone. So constantly.
Jaycee
Maybe–and this is just a thought–maybe Autumn didn’t do what Heather asked for… 🙂
–Jaycee
“I’m doing it.”
Jake
That would have been funny though.
Metathiax
What I wrote isn’t what Heather asked for either. So I don’t see what you are trying to get at.
Metathiax
and how is what I wrote what Heather asked for?
Jaycee
I may have misread your comment, sorry, didn’t mean to sound snarky.
–Jaycee
“I’m doing it.”
Jayessell
I also would not want to see incest.
It goes against the fun aspect of the strip.
Pi
That makes sense, because Dilbert is fun and there’s no incest in Dilbert. Ergo, incest goes against the fun.
I say, bring it on!
Jaycee
I’m not a fan of depicting incest, but I don’t mind flirting with it from time to time…
–Jaycee
“I’m doing it.”
Casey
In all seriousness – providing it is consensual and there is no “issue” (bubbies) then there’s no problem with incest.
“Keeping it in the family” can be a good thing – just don’t BREED.
NarcanGoat
Super rare moment where Prince Albert is the voice of reason?
Gallstone
Yup. Maybe his mind is starting to catch up with his physical maturation?
Jake
This probably will set back Heather and Autumn’s relationship.
Jaycee
Maybe a little, yeah. 🙂
–Jaycee
“I’m doing it.”
Motorcycle
& might make things worse or better between Heather & Albert.
An interesting twist be that Heather is torn because Albert has gotten very good & Herman makes the argument that she’s having sex with him, not Albert.
Jaycee
That’s an interesting argument. 🙂
–Jaycee
“I’m doing it.”
Lurker
Just detach it, problem solved.
(And while Herman is otherwise occupied, stick Velvet in his place)
Norman728
maybe Autumn Will make it up to Heather in a subtle way, because I think Autumn is the type who doesn’t like to be Controlled.
Sheela
Heh, kinda a bit of poetic justice there.
Ofcourse, what if Crystal asks Autumn to put some curse on HEather ?
Would Crystal get cursed too then ?
Guesticus
No, because Crystalbitch is controlling Busty, that is why Busty cast it on Heather, not because she is going to do the opposite of what she is asked slash ordered
MIaFillene
Yeah…no longer enjoying this so much. I think I’ll check back later. Maybe.
Guesticus
What, specifically, is the problem this time?
Necro
Incest Taboo… Actually a pretty debatable subject once you read up on it. Socially speaking, there are a lot of different views on it.
Jaycee
That is correct. You have to consider why we have that taboo in the first place…
–Jaycee
“I’m doing it.”
Guesticus
Society sucks bloated yak farts!
150 years, there was no such thing as ‘swimming costumes’ or shame in public nudity, but then about 100 years ago, society deemed it scandalous for a woman to show her ankles or to swim in anything other than a full head-to-calf bodysuit!!
This crap about incest leading to birth defects is just that: crap!
Jaycee
I’m with you there, though some of the problems with incest (especially parent-child or sibling-sibling incest) is the abuse of trust & power that can lead to a troubling (or traumatic) relationship.
I never bought the defect thing when it’s sex-for-fun vs sex-for-procreation.
–Jaycee
“I’m doing it.”
Urazz
That and incest can lead to a fucked up kid being born due to inbreeding.
Though from reading up on it on wikipedia. It looks like 1st cousins can have a kid and it would only double the chances of a kid developing a birth defect (4% chance for cousin couples compared to 2% chance on non-related couples). Though I imagine the chance for birth defects get higher with future generations of the family if they keep on doing incest with 1st cousins.
It probably explains why Prince William of Great Britain was going bald by his late 20s. Too much incest which tends to happen with royalty. Though since he married Kate, his kids will probably be better off since he’s not related to her.
Jaycee
This is only relevant if sex produces a kid. Also, I’d bet good money that knowledge of inbreeding issues is a very recent development in human history. We haven’t known about genetics for very long and there isn’t a lot of data about physical defects in inbred children if you go back a few thousand years.
I suspect (unscientifically, mind you) that this queasiness is more likely the result of social and psychological (and, yes, religious) factors. It’s just been conveniently retro-justified using modern science.
–Jaycee
“I’m doing it.”
Guesticus
Also seems more to do with anti-Monarchism than any true scientific fact (same as how everyone criticizes the Queen for spending money when she not only pays tax but also brings in a heck of a lot of money due to tourism and her businesses)
Urazz
Actually some civilizations in the past recognized that incest with immediate family members is bad because it can result in an unhealthy child. It’s why there’s been a stigma to it for practically forever in most civilizations. It’s why they became social and religious factors in the first place. Though a lot of civilizations tended to be fine with cousins marrying and having kids.
Ancient Egypt was one of those civilizations that didn’t see that kind of thing as a problem though and had brothers and sisters marry each other all the time with the royalty.
Guesticus
What monkey flung poo is this? Male Pattern Baldness is now due to inbreeding? o_O
Jaycee
Yup, this just in. 🙂
–Jaycee
“I’m doing it.”
Urazz
I didn’t say that. I said the premature male pattern baldness. Least that was what I’m thinking about. I figure inbreeding could easily affect things like that all the time asides from just health issues.
Bald-guest
…I went bald at 17 am I a product of inbreeding now? All this time and I didn’t even know it…
Jaycee
Isn’t this site great? Come for the bewbs, leave with an education. ^_^
–Jaycee
“I’m doing it.”
Urazz
Unless your parents were more closely related then it’s certainly possible Bald-Guest. Otherwise, you just probably had bad luck on the genetic lottery and got premature male pattern baldness.
Inbreeding is pretty much just increasing the chance of negative genetic traits of happening and can even cause new ones to form. It’s not just health problems that can be caused by inbreeding but physical deformities as well. It also really just depends on how much inbreeding was going on with a family and for how long.
For example, say becoming a child becoming a hunchback has like a 1 in 100 chance of happening normally. Inbreeding could increase that chance even more and increase it even further with each generation of inbreeding.
Lee Most
The taboo should be on the abuse of power over an innocent in ANY situation. Incest is simply an easy one that society can recognize. Teacher-student, boss-worker, strong-weak, police officer-arrested person, all such abuses of power should be scorned and wiped out. It should only be allowed when the weaker one knows all the issues and still invites the more powerful one to dominate.
Guesticus
That’s implying that siblings can’t fall in love, with neither one being ‘weak’ or ‘innocent’
Lotta
Furrealz? That’s masloveurly good to know.
Guesticus
Hmm, Heather slaps Alberts crown off in panel three but it is back on in panel four o_O
Jaycee
They both have magical crowns.
Obviously.
–Jaycee
“I’m doing it.”
Guesticus
Wasn’t sure if that was intentional or not 🙂
Lurker
Yoyo crowns
Migraine Maldetete
Actually, if you read up on Egypt and the Pharaohs, and yes, marrying your sister, so to speak– since we have gotten better at analyzing mummies, and translating texts- it has been shown that they did not escape ill effects, but many were affected quite a bit. -If- there is a hereditary chromosomal defect, it just gets compounded, with no good gene parts to offset it. The closer the relation, the greater possibility of ‘harm’.
Urazz
Glad to see someone else read up on the subject a bit. The way I see it, fetuses on conception are pretty much in a genetic lottery, they have a chance to get bad genes or good genes normally. Inbreeding just causes the chance to get bad genes to get bigger with each successive generation of inbreeding. Royalty in the past were prime examples of this because they usually wanted to keep the royal blood line ‘pure’.
Swede
I theorise that most of those who find the thought of incest titillating grew up without siblings. Not sexing your brother or sister is not just a cultural thing, it’s an instinct, and that instinct is shared by most, if not all, higher vertebrates, according to some biology article I read long ago. Inhibitions against incest is good for the survival of a species, so evolution favors instincts along those lines.
Jaycee
Most issues with incest seem to have to do with breeding, not having sex.
–Jaycee
“I’m doing it.”
Urazz
Problem is that sex is tied to breeding and you can’t separate the two even if you are referring it to casual sex that doesn’t result in pregnancy.
Jaycee
It’s really not an issue if you have reliable contraception methods. Also, not all sex acts lead to impregnation–there are many things you can do that have 0% risk of pregnancy and can ask be a lot of fun.
–Jaycee
“I’m doing it.”
Gallstone
I recall an article that said even bonobos balk at incest and even the suspicion of the possibility of incest… and sex is fully integrated into their social structure.
Jaycee
Well, if monkeys balk at incest, we should follow suit, I suppose.
I’m gonna go throw some poo at someone. 😉
–Jaycee
“I’m doing it.”
Gallstone
Have fun in the county lock-up. 😉
Urazz
What is Jaycee going to County Lock-up for? There are so many things he can probably be arrested for that he does have the right to know what he is being locked up for. 😉
Gallstone
Flinging his poo at people, of course. I doubt Minx would shield him from the consequences of doing that the way she saved him from embarrassment and arrest during that unfortunate incident with the police woman. 😉
Lurker
Apes, not monkeys. And bonobos consider a good fuck to be an ultimate solution to all problems.
Gallstone
Thanks for pointing that out. ^_^ And heck, they consider it a good way to say hello…
Guesticus
Umm, no it’s not: it is instinctual to breed with whomever is nearest of breeding capacity (giver or receiver), and in a close-knit or closed society that usually ends up being relations
Taylor Pinson
So we’re doing this now?
Jaycee
Are we?
–Jaycee
“I’m doing it.”